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Violence and Video Games: Not a One-sided Argument

November 10, 2005
Uros "2Lions" Jojic

Violence in video games has to be one of the most controversial, debated, and yes, perhaps, proportionally irrelevant social subjects in the past decade. As I write this, civilian heads are being cracked on one side of the street in Argentina while in a fancy hotel not two blocks down, George W. Bush and his industrialist cronies from the host nation are taking photo ops and talking about making a "brave new world."

But I digress, the point that I'm trying to make about violence and video games is that the problem (if you want to call it that) can hardly be considered exclusive to the video game industry. It would, of course, be ridiculous to think so, and yet it seems we have to point this fact out over and over again.
The social and political issue with the use of violence, strong language and otherwise "anti-social phenomenon" in works of art (and I consider games; as much as movies, books and comics; as works of art) has been the cause of some of the very first cases of censorship in modern human history; it's the same problem that Leonardo Da Vinci had with the establishment if he didn't play by the book and Michelangelo had with the Pope when he was painting naked people on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.

The free expression of the artistic form has always been in conflict with those trying to govern people. Such freedom is dangerous because it has so many ways of reaching the minds of its consumers and in the process, often conveying an idea that often is inherently against the ideal type of control over its subjects that most if not all governments strive to achieve. Art can be a very powerful thing, and that is why art is good. It can be as influential as "The Last Supper," or it can be more modest in its goals and scope and yet still powerful (if on a smaller scale).

But in order to artistically express oneself, one has to have the freedom to tackle the issue in whatever way he sees fit... ideally speaking.

This is where the real problem arises.

How do we determine that fine line between trying to express yourself creatively by using whatever unconventional means to do it, and using graphic, or pornographic images for pure shock value in hopes of either feeding your ego, or simply trying to raise as much dust as possible in an effort to make more money?

How do we, as consumers, authors (or whomever), make that distinction?

Here we are clearly delving into the murky waters of subjectivity. Instead of trying to argue pro or against this or that theoretical assumption, I will try to offer a couple of industry-related examples, which should better illustrate the distinction that I'm trying to make.

One great example that shows how violence can be used as an art form, and how strong language and often graphic scenes (of albeit cartoon) violence can have artistic value, are some of the more popular online "gamer" comics, such as Penny Arcade and VG Cats. If you take a look at those strips, you'll see violence and harsh language being used in such a way that the seemingly vulgar scenes serve a purpose - which is to make you laugh, and more often than not, to convey a cynical message about the industry or the society in general.

On the other hand, you'll often find works in the game industry brimming with classic examples of shock content, where excessive and often gruesome displays of violence are usually followed by a catchy one-liner. Instead of the distasteful scenes serving to the meaning of the message being conveyed, whatever retarded message is in there, serves as a guise for the images that are displayed for pure shock value. The reasons why someone would take this approach are self-explanatory.

The Postal games are a good example of shock violence being used for no greater purpose than to distress the audience under the guise of the authors trying to express themselves creatively.

This takes me back to the most important question that is being posed in this article. How do you know when that fine line between artistic expression and mindless vulgarity has been crossed, and what do we do about it?

It is my belief that the crux of the matter lies in the INTENTION of the author. In our every day lives, we judge intentions of others in almost every situation that we find ourselves in. So why is it so improbable to assume that on aggregate, the audience is quite capable of discerning the true intentions behind works that are created to educate, entertain, or indeed to fool us.

The real problem arises when these works that serve no other purpose than to act as tools for their authors to feed their egos or line their pockets with cash, become fuel for the fire for those who sit on the opposite side of the social spectrum. Those who are ironically, ideologically very close to the ones they are "fighting against." I am speaking about the "Jack Thompsons" of the world.

It is my belief that the gaming industry would never find itself under such scrutiny if more people, or rather more people IMPORTANT to the industry, would publicly condemn shameless attempts at making us look like fools; shows like the Spike TV Video Game Awards, games like Postal and stunts like the "Hot Coffee" mod that Rockstar pulled. (I am not generalizing Rockstar's opus here, nor do I want to go into that particular discussion. For the record, I believe that some of Rockstar's games have genuine artistic value.) This is not a matter of self-regulation by legal or corporate means. This is not a matter for the ESRB, but a form of public expression that will single out the examples of vulgar opportunism from the honest attempts at creativity.
Our "community" needs to show that it has the maturity and most importantly the intelligence to realize when someone is trying to shaft us with shock tactics, and more importantly to be vocal enough about it to reach the ears of the mass media. (Or to speak with their pocketbooks. That usually gets their attention. -Ed.)

Maybe then, attention junkies with their own shameless agenda like Jack Thompson, people whose antics belong on the "Jerry Springer Show," would be exposed for what they really are - ideological buddies of the shock jocks within our own ranks.

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danishpussy [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
One thing you didn't mention in the article, but Jaqe touched on briefly, is the effect of our "market presence." The media and most parents have very little contact with video games so they naturally don't know much about them. The extent of their knowledge is that they have to go buy a little box in the store for thier kid. Now imagine you're one of those people; when you hear the (what you assumed to be harmless) games your kid is playing consists of shooting people of course you'll freak out a little. It is the same thing that happened with rock music in the 60's, the older generation doesn't understand it, so they just put it off in a corner to ignore. Then when they hear little things about it, they put it in the "evil" category. Then the little old ladies come out on their "purge the evil" campaigns. I think the generation gap and the lack of knowledge about what gaming is all about are the real problems here.

The kinds of game we make getting the media's attention certainly aren't helping us, but even if all we had were Sims-type games (the very thought makes me ill), I don't think it would make video games more mainstream. It will take time for gaming to be recognized like other forms of entertainment, and even when it is, it'll probably have the same rank as comics (i.e. dead last in how much mainstream respect it has).
black_bear [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
im disappointed atrip would dignify such pissass arguments with an editorial
Damocles [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
You know, while I may not agree with 2lions 100% on every point the made, it is very refreshing to see an honest ethical view of the subject. Personally, I do feel the industry needs a better way to say "whoa, maybe we are polluting future waters" ... so to speak.

Marketing and advertising models have been made and continue to be addressed by companies seeking to make money from "underage" markets. Tobacco, Alcohol, Movies, and Video game companies... all pandering thier wares specifically to a section of the market they first, aren't supposed to be allowed to actually sell to, and second, ignorant of it or not, the potential damage they are causing will come back to haunt us.

Why? Greed.

Bottom line, it's irresponsible, and ultimately I think, this is what I got from 2lions editorial, that he's frustrated that it will continue.
2Lions [STAFF] [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
Exactly, Damocles.
Doomeh [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
Discrimination across the genres is a pretty awful thing.
Has anyone read Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus? It's full of on stage mutilations, rape and murder, but hey it's literature so that can't be bad. Man even the Da Vinci Code is about solving some pretty heavy murder scenes (but hey that's okay because the most powerful people in politics nowadays have it fasionably on their shelves).
How about the House of a Thousand Corpses movie which is thoroughly disturbing? Never hear anything about that in the news nowadays.

Now everytime I read about Vice City being thoroughly disturbing I get the feeling that the Media are trying to grab the worst their new scapegoat has to offer, and Vice City is the best they can come up with. It's quite foolish, however, to judge an entire genre on a game that certainly doesn't cover the entire spectrum.
Do we all remember Planescape Torment with some of the best writing ever encountered in a game, book, or movie? Or what about the Metal Gear Solid series which are probably as famous as the GTA series but actually reward you for being as non-lethal as possible! I don't even need to mention that braod range of Nintendo games that are quite violence-less.

If people can accept disturbing scenes (which are certainly as poignant as anything vice city has to offer) in Shakespeare, Horror movies, and sometimes even advertisement, then it's sheer hypocrisy to complain about violence in video games.
Chimera! [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
Sorry 2Lions but this article has no news value whatsoever. You're not telling anything some of us haven't allready thought/said/heard and you're points are kinda weak if you ask me. The fact that people look at this industry in a bad way is because they know nothing about it. The only thing they hear is that the market is saturated with violence. And despite the fact that out of every 10 Hollywood films 6 of them are also violent or have violent scenes in them they still bitch about it, because they know so little about it. The movie industry has been a mainstream event since...what lat '20s begin '30s? The gaming industry has only been mainstream since the late '90s. Also the fact that this industry is a lot less glamourous than other entertainment industries isn't really helping to get it accepted by the general public either.

I could go on and on about what I think is the cause of this public outcry about the games-industry but I think that the fact that people simply do not know what they're talking about is the main reason we are even discussing this subject.
lubczyk [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
Although the article presents nothing new he does reiterate the question "Where do we cross the line?" Think of a video game by let's say NAMBLA where your ultimate goal is to molest little boys. Would you enjoy playing such a game? Would you be alright with other people enjoying such a game? I would be sickened by such a game but I guess it would be alright for someone was to play it if they didn't get "into" it. Although that would be hard to do regarding the subject matter of the game. I mean I love playing First Person Shooters and all but I don't get "into" them. But who's to say that a game about shooting people is any better than a game where you molest children? That goes for books, movies, and other media as well.

Just a couple thoughts.
2Lions [STAFF] [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
Chimera, you say my points are weak and yet you completely miss my point in replying to what you think my point was.

If anything, I'm telling you to be less *defensive* about gaming in general (just re-read what you said), and try to look at things from a broader perspective.

All that I've heard in this industry till Warren Spector said something about it, was people being extremely defensive about the industry (much like yourself), completely dismissing some valid arguments of the "other side".

THAT was the point of my article.
2Lions [STAFF] [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
Also, the fact that "the other guy does it" (saying stuff like, "look at Hollywood") only shows the total lack of the very concept of responsibility in someone's brain.

In my real life, I hate arguing with people like that mainly because it's impossible to argue with them.
King Speedy [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
Did everybody miss the part about this being an editorial?
Chimera! [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
Why am I defensive? I'm just saying what I think is causing this whole outbreak of "let's look at what's wrong at the games-industry". I'm not condemning it.

Also saying that my argument of comparing two industries who basically have the same purpose is wrong is kinda weak if you ask me. I'm not saying that we should put a lot of violence in our games because the movie industry is also doing it. I'm saying the media should learn to relevate things by looking at things they approve and comparing them with things they dissaprove. They approve of the movie industry putting a lot of violence in their films but they cry bloody murder if the games industry does the same. That's just wrong if you ask me.

I'm not dismissing all the arguments the media is giving us but I think that screaming about violence in games is pointless and unfair to the industry.

Also, don't try to discredit me by saying things like "lacking the very concept of responsibility". That's a cheap shot at a flame and it doesn't add anything to this conversation.
2Lions [STAFF] [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
"Also saying that my argument of comparing two industries who basically have the same purpose is wrong is kinda weak if you ask me."

Again, you miss the point. You weren't comparing the two industries, nor was I applying that, you were justifying the wrongs in one industry by saying that the "same" stuff happens in another industry, and that's not the right way to approach the problem. Any problem.

As for the part about responsibility, that came out a little wrong and I apologize. I wasn't directly talking about you there (nor do I know you that well), my mind was wandering off to some people I know in real life.

Finally, "They approve of the movie industry putting a lot of violence in their films but they cry bloody murder if the games industry does the same. That's just wrong if you ask me."

It's not ENTIRELY wrong because you cannot draw a direct parallel between the two industries. The mediums themselves are very different, and you are neglecting that fact.
Chimera! [mail] Sep 03 2009, 12:00 am EDT
Actually I was trying to compare the two industries since they both provide entertainment to the people. The one is quite static however and the other is very much interactive. I'm not trying to justify any wrongs, I'm trying to show people that the one thing that is accepted in one industry is SEEN AS a wrong in the other.

I'm not against violence in films, books, games, whatever medium, I'm not against anything if it doesn't hurt anyone (in real life). I'm just saying that I think it is odd we have a discussion about violence in videogames while it's widely accepted in almost every other form of entertainment. Violence in books, films, plays, music, it's all accepted but when people look at videogames that are violent they get upset. I fail to see why. Is it because this medium is interactive? Because the violence only happens when we push the buttons?
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