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Piracy is 'Good' and 'Handy' People Say
Filed under: PIRACY, DRM, GAMING, VOTING POLL
According to people who took part in our recent voting poll, piracy is 'good' because, well, games are too expensive. That's at least how we've put things in our poll. Here are the final results:

All things considered, piracy is:

  • Good, because games are too expensive. - votes 1084
  • Handy when publishers dish out a DRM nightmare. - votes 1067
  • Bad, because it's a fucking crime and it ruins the industry. - votes 899
  • A disease that can only be cured by DRM. - votes 62

TOTAL VOTES 3,112

Okay, many people see piracy as a bad thing, which we do as well, of course. But from some angles and at least from the perspective of people who can't afford games, piracy may be the only option. This brings us into a very tricky area - how people buy games. I mean, if you can afford games that aren't so expensive but you can't wait for them to get cheaper (which they do eventually), then maybe you shouldn't really resort to piracy should you? Also, if you resort to piracy just out of sheer laziness or to support some insane cyber-style rebellion then you're not just automatically condoning piracy, you're also a retard. If you really, really don't have a choice and you really, really want to play good games, then better you wait for them to get cheaper and, well, less buggier, because let's be honest, a lot of games need time to get more polished, don't they. It's an endless topic for discussion, isn't it.



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Admiral_Webbco Feb 24 2011, 06:50 am EST
I'm actually surprised at these results. I didn't realise just how many people would support piracy.
  EricHalfBee: agreed but I'm not surprised by the DRM result!
JonahFalcon Feb 24 2011, 07:06 am EST
Ooooh! So, if a Porsche is too expensive, can I steal it, too?
  Marku5K: Ohh FFS these kind of arguments are just plain stupid!
Cheddar: Actually, no, he has a point. A Porsche is a luxur…
Burning: A Porsche requires natural resources to make and only…
jimmy: so i guess with what burning said it would be more li…
Un Om Bun: Depends. Can you can afford an original Porsche ? Do …
Burning: Sure, Jimmy. People have built copies of Lamborghinis…
im_stardust: Am I on medication or are you people ? If you STEA…
Burning: That wasn't really what we were debating here, but tr…
jimmy: I think I'm people...
Vader [STAFF] Feb 24 2011, 07:07 am EST
Interesting comparison...
  tei187: Not interesting. Generalized. It proves something com…
JonahFalcon Feb 24 2011, 07:09 am EST
Most people save up to buy things they can't afford, rather than steal it.
daver18qc Feb 24 2011, 08:45 am EST
If i buy food at a restaurant and it's not good, i'm not paying for it.

Same thing with my games.

I pay for the good ones only (AFTER pirating them to test).

Example:
Pirated Homeworld, liked it, bought it.
Pirated Need For Speed Shift, didnt like it, deleted it...
  sellis16: You lie.
Corpse Grinder Feb 24 2011, 09:17 am EST
Do big companies really care about PC game piracy? The monies in consoles which is why mine doesnt make PC games anymore...
Morkrul Feb 24 2011, 09:19 am EST
i think the problem is similar to the problem the music industry is having.
Those comparisons (if i can't afford a porsche, i steal it) are wrong because the context is different, if you could pirate a porsche,(not the physical act of stealing), and no one would notice it's a pirated porsche, wouldn't you do it? it's hard to believe you would not
See the difference? here we are talking about bits of information, it's not tangible, so it's not the act of stealing, unless a pirate would actually go to a store and then physically steal the game in the box, that would be stealing.
  EricHalfBee: The comparisons (Porsche, sweets, designer jeans etc.…
Cheddar: Stupid, STUPID (non)logic, Marku. But I won't ran…
Morkrul: well it does sound i'm pro-pirating, well i'm NOTt(th…
EricHalfBee: That could work Morkul. Maybe someone will try it.
Morkrul: damn that un-existing edit button- Relationship*(inst…
im_stardust: Cheddar masters his language somewhat well (being hi…
im_stardust: Uuuuh Cheddar, so many challenges for you. You ain't …
Morkrul: @stardust: that comment there was nice. I don't thi…
zaeb Feb 24 2011, 09:39 am EST
WHO THE FUCK WROTE THIS FAGISH ARTICLE? R U A FUCKING RETARD PIECE OF SHIT FAGET? U CALL ME A RETARD COSE I PIRATE GAMES. U REACHED A NEW LVL OF STUPIDNES COCKSUCKER FAGET QUIRT.
  Cheddar: I'd like to think the above post is deliberate satire.
im_stardust: I love this guy. Wanna buy an AK, Zaeb? Or something …
zaeb: id reather have it stolen since i still everything st…
im_stardust: My man...
Cheddar Feb 24 2011, 09:39 am EST
"But from some angles and at least from the perspective of people who can't afford games, piracy may be the only option."

This is like saying:

"But from some angles and at least from the perspective of people who can't afford designer jeans at $200 per pair, shoplifting them may be the only option."

The point I'm making here is that games are a luxury, not a need.

If one can't afford a luxury, then the appropriate response is not to just go and steal it. If you convince yourself it's somehow justified to steal a luxury, then you're obviously deluded and infantile.


If you're gonna do something wrong, at least be man enough to know it's wrong.

Really... that's all I ask.


I've noticed some people that get too accustomed to pirating everything have gotten this completely irrational idea that they're entitled to the games. That they have some sort of automatic right to play them.

Well, that's bullshit.

You're so poor you can't afford video-games? That sucks. But you don't need them, do you? No, you just want them.

And besides, If you're really that poor...

You shouldn't be using your free time playing video-games anyway.
  Cheddar: Hello, stardust. I'll make a note this is one of…
im_stardust: The power of Christ compels you!!!!! Leave this w…
im_stardust: I feel like I need to explain this one as well, cause…
im_stardust: In life we take many things we can't afford. In the e…
Tastysanchez: I am too hungover to read any of that stardust. But C…
sellis16: Designer jeans? 1983 called.
EricHalfBee Feb 24 2011, 10:07 am EST
There's actually quite a broad spectrum of opinion here with quite a few people using piracy as a kind of try before you buy mechanism. It's just down to each person to decide what they think is right. Much of that comes from perspective. I know that it's much easier for me to be against piracy now than it was when it was my 'pocket money' buying the games.
  Cheddar: If you have the discipline to "try before you buy", a…
Morkrul: that's what i meant with how some artist in the music…
Vader [STAFF] Feb 24 2011, 10:38 am EST
oh god, why did i have to post this anyway... as always, the subject is way too touchy
  Morkrul: actually i'm thankful
Un Om Bun [STAFF] Feb 24 2011, 10:42 am EST
I hope that those of you who never pirate games and enjoy so much preaching about morals, don't download mp3s or movies either. You have no doubt paid for every album you ever listened to, and hundreds of DVDs are neatly stacked on your designer mahogany shelves, right ?
  zaeb: I LOVE U MAN COSE U ALWAYS FUCK EM UP IN A NICE WAY.
Un Om Bun: If you fuck 'em nicely, they come back for more.
EricHalfBee: I don't mind what you do. I haven't claimed that I've…
EricHalfBee: Maybe we can put this one to bed eh? I'm not that kee…
Un Om Bun: Some try to justify it with bullshit, others (like me…
EricHalfBee: I didn't take it badly ;-) It's a decent argument un …
im_stardust: Un om bun. I'm glad you are around, man. Honestly.
EricHalfBee Feb 24 2011, 12:14 pm EST
Then again the raging flames are probably good for Vader's traffic count. Bring it on!
  jimmy: why else do you think it was posted
JonahFalcon Feb 24 2011, 12:19 pm EST
"If i buy food at a restaurant and it's not good, i'm not paying for it."

Trying telling that to a restaurant. Try telling that to a movie theater when you see a movie and don't like it. You'll find yourself being charged with a misdemeanor and fined.

That's not the way it works.

The fact is this: stealing is stealing is stealing. Videogames are a LUXURY. They're not a basic human right.

SMART buyers research. They read reviews, they watch gameplay videos. There's no such thing as "well, most movies are bad so it's alright to pirate cable."

In short, pay up, deadbeat.

  PainZero: I don't know where do you leave, but you can do that …
im_stardust: "SMART BUYERS research" => indoctrinated consumer coc…
sellis16: I've gone to the box office halfway through a movie a…
zaeb Feb 24 2011, 01:30 pm EST
FUCKING RETARD QUIRTS. HERES 1 COMPARISON 4 U FUCKTARDS. IMAGINE MY DAUGHTER IS SICK, AND I DONT HAVE MONEY TO PAY FOR MEDICINE, SO SHE SHOULD DIE RIGHT COSE MEDICINES R LUXURY JUST LIKE GAMES? U AND UR FUCKING STUPID EXAMPLES COMPARING PHISICAL OBJECTS WITH VIRTUAL. FUCK U ALL MOTHERFUCKERS. MORE AL-QAIDA ATACKS MOOOOOREEE.
  im_stardust: Please don't get mad and kill your daughter. Or bette…
Promeus: How's medicine a luxury?D: oh right ..America..…
PainZero Feb 24 2011, 01:39 pm EST
God bless socialism, communism and sharing games :)

Do you think that Beethoven would give a shit if someone played his music in some cathedral somewhere and ask money for that, or Baudelaire would throw charges if someone copies his poetry on a piece of paper, or Michelangelo would ask people to pay tickets to see David, Hell No!

I can't stop wondering how people developed such a perverted minds to think that they are able to own something beside their thoughts (even that's disputable) and not only that but to think that whichever idea they managed to materialize somehow is worth millions of dollars.

Anyway Half Life will remain on this earth even after Gabe's death or Doom after Romero etc., so will pirating make any sense then. If not then why would it now?

And if you are going to say something about they should be rewarded for their effort read the first sentence.
  antonphd: i make video games for a living. if you think that i…
PainZero: I haven't said anywhere in my post that people (or vi…
mwe12 Feb 24 2011, 02:00 pm EST
there are some countries that no games ever ship to them no matter what!! so the only and again ONLY way to get games is to pirate. have another solution for those people?
I don't think so
  Un Om Bun: They should move to America and become janitors, ALL …
EricHalfBee: Then they should get on with it and start burning dis…
Un Om Bun: And I find it hard to believe that most pirates would…
antonphd Feb 24 2011, 02:58 pm EST
would you kick someone's ass if they stole your video game? then don't pirate games.
  Un Om Bun: Holy shit, that was clever !
im_stardust: This genius deserves our utmost respect.
Terminator Feb 24 2011, 03:03 pm EST
Piracy is killing PC gaming. It doesn't matter how people justify piracy, the damage can't be ignored. Having said that, I am resigned to my fate. From now on I'm buying every game via Steam, or another download site. Steam has decent DRM measures.
  zaeb: UR A FUCKING RETARD.
im_stardust: I keep telling him that. Do you think we should s…
3Sins Feb 24 2011, 03:53 pm EST
I'm sorry but that was a push poll, like most polls the answers probably forced many people to either agree to a half truth or disagree with a half lie.
I pirate games; I donít do it because their too expensive, I do it because I see no point in supporting "shit" games.
From the "big" publishers I own every single blizzard game except the latest wow expansion, and I did pirate every single one (except wow) of them first, their good games that provided me with good entertainment. I own some EA games because rest of that publishers games are shit at least imo.
I see no point in wasting money on a game that has 0 content, crashes every 15minutes or lags like hell or is bugged to hell and back, problem here is that demos often donít show anything about the game or are polished beyond belief while the rest of the game lags, is buggy. Piracy isnít killing PC gaming, it's killing companies that make bad games; sadly it's 80% of them.
Morkrul Feb 24 2011, 03:54 pm EST
i find nice that you posted this vader
tei187 Feb 24 2011, 06:30 pm EST
When someone downloads a game then it's piracy but when the producers create a sucky game without giving any chance of testing it before you buy it - it's capitalism, law and order. Both sides cheat as hell, if you ask me.
I download games to check if its worth buying or to check how much cash I'd have to spend on newer hardware to have a decent play. If I like what I see - I buy it. If I don't - I erase it after 15 minutes of playing. And there are always a lot of series I will buy without downloading anything or even watching a teaser because I already know what to expect.
In this example it's not piracy. It's just being fair. For the whole deal to be fair, you also need to know what are you going to buy. And how many times have you been screwed that way? I still remember buying GTA4 which, basing on previously released requirements, should run smoothly on my PC only to find myself buying a whole new PC setup to run it somewhat smoothly on medium settings.

One thing I love "piracy" for - if the DRM sucks ass, you will always find a neat crack or no-cd patch. I bought AC2 the same day the crack was released.
SpaceMonkey Feb 24 2011, 07:54 pm EST
FUCK IT! I'm a thief! I can't afford games but I still wanna play all them games like them rich fucks, so I steal! catch me if you can!
  antonphd: no game developer i know cares if poor people pirate …
Nameinuse Feb 24 2011, 10:43 pm EST
I used to feel peer pressure to pirate games instead of buying them. When I was a teenager, very few people bought original games. It just didn't make sense to pay 6 times more for a game in a shop than what you pay in the street market. And when file sharing programs arrived, and later bittorrent, it was heaven on earth.

But then I started seeing that it's wrong on TV and on the internet.

Not too long ago I got a bank card with which I could buy things from the internet. I bought Torchlight. Freshly released Torchlight on Steam was cheaper than Diablo2(which was released in 1999 I think) in a store.

My gaming buddies were buying most of their games, so I thought that maybe they dissapproved of torrenting games. I made an effort to buy more games. Now the ratio of bought versus pirated games on my harddrive is about 60:40
LostPcGamer Feb 24 2011, 11:14 pm EST
You should get in touch with jim sterling from destructoid and join his piracy crusade he apparently is on now. The guy is nothing but a huge troll and 360 fanboy in charge of pc reviews.
BmmB Feb 25 2011, 04:12 am EST
Cheddar, I used to somewhat respect your opinion here on AT. Now you just act as a bitchy bitch almost crying about people pirating games. Who cares? I certainly don't care what others do, and certainly I could not, even if I wanted to, change other people's behaviour. I simply don't care. If piracy kills PC gaming (not likely) then let it be. I don't care. So, you buy your games. Sure, many do, just stop bitching about not everyone doing like you. Or maybe you and Terminator form a new religion and start preaching anti piracy. Just stop bothering other people.
And my two cents on piracy: if you want to do it and feel ok about it, then do it. Don't brag about it and certainly don't make excuses, 'cause they're always pathetic. Just do it and shut up. Others simply should stop bitching.
Terminator Feb 25 2011, 05:11 am EST
Just because YOU don't care, doesn't mean the rest of us don't. I'm getting sick of putting up with ridiculous DRM beacuse the damn PIRATES keep stealing games!
  zaeb: SHIT BITCH U GET MORE AND MORE RETARDED.
Morkrul: again, it's not stealing, it's piracy, stealing means…
tei187: Do you actually believe that end of piracy will be th…
Tastysanchez Feb 25 2011, 03:48 pm EST
If you don't like it don't buy it and play it. You can't have have your cake and eat it too. It would be lovely if the world worked that way but it doesn't.

Or actually maybe it does... that's what pirating is right?
sellis16 Feb 25 2011, 11:42 pm EST
SgtPepper Feb 26 2011, 02:11 am EST
Fact: piracy will never go away. If a game is -really- good, people will buy it anyway - even after d/l-ing or buying a pirated copy because believe it or not, most of the 'pirates' are actually decent folks who simply can't afford paying $60 for a game when their monthly salary is $300. It's easy for people in 1st world countries to point fingers and say 'if you can't afford it, don't buy it', but the rest of the world couldn't care less.
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